Do you really want that?

Chatting with a fellow today:

I asked God to give me a deliverance ministry. I had no clue that he was going to start it in my family! Had I known that, I wouldn’t have asked for it.

Moral: don’t pray for things you don’t really want or haven’t thought through…

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7 responses to “Do you really want that?

  1. Wow, when you pray for a deliverance ministry, God usually starts by getting you delivered. It’s His order. How are you going to help others if you haven’t been delivered? How are you going to help others if you own family is not spiritually healthy. Welcome to God’s Order; individual, family, church, community, then the whole world. Often as Christians we want to influence the world without first influencing our family. If you can’t influence your family then you will never change the world.

  2. Careful CB! You won’t win friend and influence people with those words… :)

  3. LOL. No one ever called me subtle.

  4. LOL. No one ever called me subtle.

  5. patrickandchristy

    I haven’t met nor seen any person, Christian or otherwise that has been “delivered”. In what sense are we using the word “delivered”? I think we could simplify it and say that someone has been “delivered” when they accept Christ into their lives, and in that sense many people have experienced this.

    Or we could take it to a much deeper level, and say that someone is “delivered” when they have reached optimal spiritual maturity, and have worshipped, praised, honored and loved God and served humanity in Christ’s name and example to our utmost capability. In essence, we have met or exceeded God’s expectations for us. If this is the criteria, then we will NEVER be “delivered”. So why pray for deliverance? It’s kind of like praying for world peace!

    Let’s take your suggestion cbgrace and focus on our own individual spiritual health and maturity. The “order” of our sphere of influence is really irrelevant. I have found that I cannot influence anyone or make them do anything, especially family members. They are the hardest to influence! Only the Holy Spirit can influence and convict. I have to focus on ME everyday: am I nourishing myself through God’s Word, am I being a humble servant and allowing myself to hear His Spirit directing and guiding me, am I living a life of prayer, am I being obedient to His Word and His calling on my life, am I reaching the lost? I could go on and on. If I am doing these things, then everyone else around me will begin to be influenced because I am seeking Christ in everything I do and I am allowing Him to work through me.

  6. Hmmm. Well, it sounds like we have some different beliefs concerning what deliverence is. While I do not believe a Christian can be “owned” by a demonic force, I do believe Christians can “own” a demonic force. Word it however you want, but the enemy is out there and he plays dirty. He is like the dirtiest lawyer you’ve never met. :D He is always looking for open doors (usually gates we leave open, the ear gate, the eye gate, etc) and he is willing to trespass until we (Christians) tell him to leave. Why do you think Jesus told His followers, “Behold, I give you the authority to trample on serpents and scorpions, and over all the power of the enemy, and nothing shall by any means hurt you. Nevertheless do not rejoice in this, that the spirits are subject to you, but rather rejoice because your names are written in heaven”? We must exercise the same power today that Jesus’ followers demonstrated in the Bible.

    It amazes me that Christians in America think that demons are only in Africa and South America, etc. We have them too…they just have different names…names like greed, selfishness, pride, pornography, etc.

    Jesus was very powerful and He said, “Most assuredly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father.” (John 14)

    Sure there is a portion of deliverence that comes through serving God for an extended period of time. Some forms of deliverence come through just praising and worshipping God. But when you get to the point of identifying an area in your life that you know is opposed to God and God did not create you to be that way but you feel incapable of change…then you’ve found a stronghold and the only thing to do is exercise your authority as a believer in Jesus Christ.

    The good news is, in addition to the Word of God, there are some great resources out there…
    Doris Wagner wrote a book “How to Cast out a Demon” (I think that’s the name)
    There is a very good inner healing ministry in Texas called freedom excursion. Check out http://www.freedomexcursion.com

  7. patrickandchristy

    Thank you cbgrace for expanding on your view or belief in deliverance. It is true that there are differing beliefs and views on various issues, themes, etc. within the Christian community, often wrong or conveniently distorted to rationalize our own views. A great example is the gift of speaking in unknown tongues. Southern Baptists (most) will tell you without hesitation that it is a “dead” gift, while others believe it is still a “living” gift. The idea of Deliverance would be another. Ask 50 Christians what that means, and you’ll get many different answers.

    Is satan real? Absolutely!!! If someone doesn’t think he exists in America, then all they have to do is go to Ubauna, Brazil. I recently wrote a post on that very topic and how Americans pretend Satan doesn’t exist or work throughout the church (www.patrickandchristy.wordpress.com). The series was on the Great Commission. God will definitely deliver us from demonic forces if we take authority through the all-poweful name of Jesus Christ, and allow His Holy Spirit to rid us of the evil spirits.

    My point was that although we can experience “deliverance” from a specific issue that is causing us to be disobedient to God, there will always be areas of our lives that are in opposition to God b/c we are imperfect beings that satan will attack on a constant basis. He knows what the stakes are, and does not want us being obedient, faithful, fruitful children of God.

    That’s why I stated that I know of no one that will ever truly be delivered in this lifetime. As we overcome one sin or area of weakness, we will face another. We will also battle satan in the many areas we’ve listed, such as pride, selfishness and prejudice the whole time we are on this earth.

    In the end, I agree with you but wanted more clarification on how the word/subject of “deliverance” was being represented.

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